L114,s have spawned

[dw1305]

Hi all,
Well done Gee, looking very promising. I wrote

"Another possibility is you could add a bit more "Prime" to the tank water, that will stop the ammonia going into the nitrogen cycle, if the nitrate is getting there by that route." Bigjohnofish replied "prime only delays the onset of ammonia... it bonds the ammonia up but breaks back down in your tank after a few days.... if your biological filter is up to scratch this isnt a problem as the ammonia is quickly converted into nitrite/nitrate.... if not you'll get another ammonia spike.... as good a product as prime is it has its problems too.... "

Big john is right about "Prime", it only temporarily binds ammonia. Seachem won't tell you how it works other than it "contains hydrosulfite" (could be either HSO2- or - O2S-SO2-) and "bisulfite" (HSO3-) it is not obvious whether these ingredients actually react with ammonia, or whether some other unnamed ingredients perform that function. Best guess would be that the reaction product is H2NCH2SO3Na, an aminomethanesulfonate salt.

Prime wasn't suggested as a permanent answer, basically you can never have too much biological filtration capacity. I should also have said that Prime is definitely a reducing agent, so it will use some of the oxygen (O2) in the water and reduce the pH.

cheers Darrel

 

[ryannxs]

GEE you little bugger! well done! i go away for 1 week, come back and boom!
more pics! got pics of mum and dad?

 

[Bigjohnnofish]

Hi all,
Well done Gee, looking very promising. I wrote

Big john is right about "Prime", it only temporarily binds ammonia. Seachem won't tell you how it works other than it "contains hydrosulfite" (could be either HSO2- or - O2S-SO2-) and "bisulfite" (HSO3-) it is not obvious whether these ingredients actually react with ammonia, or whether some other unnamed ingredients perform that function. Best guess would be that the reaction product is H2NCH2SO3Na, an aminomethanesulfonate salt.

Prime wasn't suggested as a permanent answer, basically you can never have too much biological filtration capacity. I should also have said that Prime is definitely a reducing agent, so it will use some of the oxygen (O2) in the water and reduce the pH.

cheers Darrel

if i remember correctly, the main ingredient is thiosulphate and seachem would like you not to know this..... :whistle::whistle::whistle:

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,
Big John wrote

if i remember correctly, the main ingredient is thiosulphate and seachem would like you not to know this

they certainly aren't keen on you finding out whats in "Prime". Sodium thiosulphate is the compound that outgasses the chlorine, and will be in all de-chlorinators. The better ones will contain other compounds, we do know the content of Amquel as it has a patent.
"

One is hydroxymethanesulfonate (HOCH2SO3-). It is a known ammonia binder patented for aquarium use by John F. Kuhns and sold as Amquel by Kordon and ClorAm-X by Reed Mariculture, among others.

Ammonia's reaction with hydroxymethanesulfonate is mechanistically complicated, possibly involving decomposition to formaldehyde and reformation to the product aminomethanesulfonate (shown below).16 The simplified overall reaction is believed to be:

NH3 + HOCH2SO3- à H2NCH2SO3- + H2O

What ultimately happens to the aminomethanesulfonate in a marine or reef aquarium is not well established, but it does appear to be significantly less toxic than ammonia, and more than likely it is processed by bacteria into other compounds.

"

cheers Darrel

 

[FF MkII]

Update?

 

[macvsog23]

Hi all,
Big John wrote they certainly aren't keen on you finding out whats in "Prime". Sodium thiosulphate is the compound that outgasses the chlorine, and will be in all de-chlorinators. The better ones will contain other compounds, we do know the content of Amquel as it has a patent.
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cheers Darrel

God Am I glad I dont add any thing to my tanks apart from RO / HMA water

 

[FF MkII]

im pretty sure that whats in prime is better than chlorine, chloramine etc

 

[thegeeman]

Update?

Not alot to say really FF. The fry have almost absorbed their sac's and they look totally awesome Looking at them they are black with big white spots and you would never think they were 114.

Cheers

thegeeman

 

[rpp1973]

photos!
no photos and it didnt happen :lol:

glad they are doing well!

 

[Mooo]

Congrats Gman,
Oh & the posts about prime are very interesting reading....

 

[thegeeman]

 

[FF MkII]

EXCELLENT

 

[ryannxs]

that is too cool! im calling dibs on any that have a yellow tail!

 

[dan1801a]

Aaaaaahhhhhh !! They are amazing !!!!!

Big Big Well Done from this end.

So glad. Baby L114's they look so good.

 

[JackGillett]

<3 beautiful. congrats mate :clap:

 

[dconnors]

Simply awesome Gee! Do you know about how old the fish involved in the spawning activities were?

 

[thegeeman]

I was talking to Alan who I got the male off today and he rekons it would be around the 6/7 year mark as the bloke he bought it off grew it on from 2". No idea about the female but its a good bit smaller.

Cheers

thegeeman

 

[rpp1973]

Great Photos Gee.
nice to see they are still doing well with your devoted effort:yes:

 

[scatz]

looking good matey

 

[ryannxs]

have you got pics of the parents?