White film on driftwood

blondeyny

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No Panaques, only a BN and some dwarf platies. Of course the dwarf platies are almost as bad as the BN in that they will eat almost anything. LOL I'll take a butter knife and see if I can get most of it off.

Out of curiosity, if I did put it in the tank with the softer wood on there, what would happen?
 

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Hi all,
Out of curiosity, if I did put it in the tank with the softer wood on there, what would happen?
Really depends on how much oxygen is the tank water.

The reason for this is that the wood is soft because the "structural carbohydrates" that give wood it's strength (cellulose, hemi-cellulose and lignin) are being degraded, and the smaller carbohydrates they contain then become available. In the same way as the starch in a potato is comprised of lots of glucose (a mono-saccharide sugar) locked together, so are cellulose and lignins - "long strings of glucose very tightly chemically locked together".

Mainly only "white-rotting" fungi can degrade lignins, but all organisms can use glucose they unlock, so the soft wood will lead to a build up of bacteria and other types of fungi feeding on the wood. Wood is very deficient in nitrogen, but the ammonia from the fish will supply this leading to a microbial "bloom and bust" cycle.

Decomposition has a high oxygen demand (measured as the BOD - Biochemical Oxygen Demand), and this may exceed the oxygen being exchanged leading to de-oxygenated water and fish death, the decomposition processes will also produce CO2 which may inhibit oxygen take up by the blood due to the Bohr effect.

So don't put soft wood in your tank. The only circumstances where it would be a good idea is if you keep Panaques and feed it to them in limited amounts. This was found by some research by Dr Donovan German, who found that despite their obvious adaptations to wood feeding Panaques don't have the gut flora to actually digest intact wood (like Termites do), but rely on eating semi-degraded wood (search through the back threads for more details).

An analogous situation would be Leaf cutter ants, where they chew the cut leaves up, but feed the chewed material to their fungal colony, and eat the fungus after it has degraded the cellulose to sugars.

cheers Darrel
 

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Wowsers that was a lot of info. I scraped the wood down good with a spoon and it's in the tank now. The BN seems to really love it!! I'll keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get anymore soft spots.
 

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Hi all,
"The BN seems to really love it!!" and "The only circumstances where it would be a good idea is if you keep Panaques".
Sorry the Panaque quote isn't quite right, what I should have said is that many other plecs will eat wood (particularly if it is soft) including many BN's - Ancistrus spp, and for some e.g. L092 Lasiancistrus tentaculatus etc. it may be the major component.

Link from PC.
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=201

Ingo Seidel in "Back To Nature Guide To L-Catfishes" (well worth buying) has a symbol for all the species that are thought to feed on wood to some degree, and this includes a lot of the Ancistrus species, mainly those which aren't extremely rheophilic.

cheers Darrel