thanks, jk, yeah, they are great ,loved them when I saw them at the aq store and hubby was nice enough to pick them up for me ! he got 8 but 2 large males were bullies,scared the harlequin raspboras into a plant and really harrassed the other fish, so they went back , and now peacful , and beautiful , the other 6 are figuring their pecking order , but no big worries. Thanks for the comments